Garrett said he hopes investigators went to all of the local gun stores to see their records of sales of .40-caliber-type weapons. But the scanner doesnt say she came to bring the keys. Theres no woman among them. The fact that I believe LE has been busy trying to cover up the mistakes they made early on leads me to believe that they inadvertently helped BG get away with this horrendous crime and continue to do so by withholding almost every piece of information possible from the public, while at the same time begging for that one tip they need to make an arrest. Must be a lot of people with that name. Admitting his culpability only after lying to law enforcement, whom he first told that the girl shot herself while cleaning her weapon. Of course, we empathize with their losses, but sympathy wears thin when someone is screaming in your face. I dont know about you, but when I go to a nearby town, I dont generally take my cellphone and throw it in a bunch of weeds for the five hours that I was gone, coming back to my home hours later to retrieve it from the weeds. And Mr. X or BG is the one who used that catfish to bring Libby in. They dont risk their careers to talk to bloggers. The one thing I cannot do is help him get away with his crimes, that is, be an accessory. Theres something different about this casing, it stood out to me. See, Im not like how they say at all, am I? Robert Lindsay isnt just one guy. *The cops refer to cases of scumbag on scumbag shootings as No humans involved or public service killings. Not say that innocent people are killed and hurt in these cases and in some cases the target themselves is completely innocent. I I heard the girls say repeatedly, Its Elementary Watson, and 2 plus 2 equals 4. I see T. Neighboring state. He could have even confessed to me, but I am still not under obligation to tell the cops. He took a piece of jewelry from Libby as a trophy thats also buried. They showed the boots in an evidence bag to the media later on that night, and they said, Oh, this is nothing. What time was RL on video eating pizza? Hes bored and has nothing to do, so we recruited him to sleuth for us. Twice in the the Evansdale Murders, LE thought they were certain that they had the right man. Also his personality is nothing like Scott Alexander, some sock who is claiming to be LK on Facebook groups. Let us know if you want to join the private sleuthing site where we can talk about this stuff in much greater detail than we do out here. So the stellar members of LE have RL arrested and sent to jail all the while knowing he couldnt have committed this crime but doing NOTHING to stop the entire community from believing, first, that RL was a main suspect in the case,, and second, believing that he was in jail because he was a suspect! "He put himself at the scene, on the bridge.". He had his keys with him, so why didnt he move his truck when they asked him to instead of lying and saying he couldnt because he had lost his keys? So you try to make it look like theres an accident. Allen was taken into custody and booked into the Carroll County Jail in connection with the horrific crime. What I noticed in the article is that in cases of stating and posing bodies, the perpetrator and the victims are, compared to other murders, on average, older. If you wish to join, please go here. No, LK is the real deal. His wife has taken to social media lately, pleading with people to stop harassing them and insisting he had nothing to do with this crime. The motive was sexual. Libby had gotten smitten with this young man and wanted to meet him. There is a difference between a scene that is staged and a scene that is posed, McCollum said. -- New details have come to light in the unsolved Delphi, Indiana, double murder investigation with the publication of a police interview with a man who, according to transcripts . FSG knew everyone in town. Are you serious? He later discussed the placement of Abby Williams' body at the crime scene, and he claimed that the victims were not sexually assaulted (none of this information has been publicly released yet). It is unclear when and where the photo was taken. Id rather not look into the NHI* (no humans involved) cases in the ghetto where one group of scumbags shoots up some other group of scumbags. I like some of these guys. Clothing soaked in blood, seen and unseen. Do you think an LE source might be talking to one of them or perhaps someone who knows one of them? But he is also said to have shared his Anthony_shots password with others - including his father - and said his dad could be a prime suspect in the killings. Today we will Discuss about Delphi murders: Crime Scene| Press Conference Update| Bodies Posed. Two young girls disappear off of an extraordinarily dangerous bridge in the middle of the day when they had plans to be picked up at a specific time? German was your usual extrovert, with a dream of one day becoming a science teacher. The bodies had been staged and the killing would likely have caused the killer to get . Offers may be subject to change without notice. And those are just a few of the suspected serials running around free. I am creating a special article about this to link to in order to deal with the constant hate comments in this regard so I dont have to keep going over this stuff in every update. They say they want to preserve the integrity of the investigation. In an interview with DailyMail.com in 2021, Chadwell's brother characterized him as being 'pure evil,' and more than capable of the Delphi murders. I dont get that vibe at all with everything I know, but then again I know very little lol. ? thats tough luck usually)I agree with him that it was probably Logan that gave the cops details on Kirts to get out of the clink The cops say the killer made a mistakeI bet it was probably something left behind in one of Logans barns or shacks. You are apparently a better sleuth than I am. We are not sure of Mr. Xs current job, but we think he might be selling wooden signs that he makes by himself and sells. But they didnt get to ask him about PB. BG was dressed in clothes similar to what Ron wore, and he took the girls to Rons land and killed them there. All of the speculation about their final moments is unconfirmed. She has channeled her pain into grief and sadness. Indiana police looked into Bruce in connection to the Delphi murders, but no charges have been handed down. There appears to be no mention of the Delphi murders or any information linking Kline to the case. Thank you Mr. Lindsay for significant information on this terrible case. In the first four years, two LE officers only affirmed one rumor each. Conceivably, perhaps ~10% of men might have those nine markers. Kelsis DNA was the only DNA found on the bodies. Now he says he never saw BG at all. And although hes no no saint, I dont think he has it in him to commit a crime like this. The warrant, filed by an FBI agent investigating the murders back in 2017, was to carry out a search on the home of Ronald Logan. They seriously posted photos just so they could retain cool points. Germans sister Kelsey tweeted early Friday: Just know how grateful I am to all of you. No comments for now, any questions please refer to the Carroll County Prosecutors Office. There are cases like this all over the country. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Investigators seized several devices, but Kline contacted them a few days later about a device they hadnt seized. Easy, they were lying! That could be why they referred to BG as a creepy guy and still following us. Otherwise, and putting myself in their situation, if I saw someone at a distance on the bridge, I would have thought it was just another hiker and would not have been concerned that he was still following me. Obviously this is the only type of personality that is capable of podcasting an egomaniac on the other hand, their personality pathology limits the usefulness of their shows. For five years, the murders of 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German have hung over Delphi, ghosts that couldn't be put to rest. Sometimes victims are posed as a signature as if to say when I do this again you will recognize my handy work and give me the credit although we have no evidence to suggest there was any posing at all. I saw the picture and while I could see the "face", I didn't see the rest of what people were claiming to see. The manner of death has never been revealed. Thats because he was competition. This GPS device showed that his phone had been at the CPS building from 12-5 on the day of the murders. I love you and the information youre releasing! Both of these people were probably ragers before, so its not like they did a U-turn. I do not feel comfortable using his initials or certainly his name. I also believe there are other factors at play here possibly being protected and I dont think LE wants the truth of what happened to Abby and Libby to come out for whatever reason. is that creepy guy still following us?. Also there are rumors that the girl left a note explain her pregnancy in a tree in her backyard. And at the end, Carter says, He may even be in this room right now, (he was in fact) and then looks in the complete opposite direction of Mr. X. Ive been angry at LE today regarding this case. She mentions how the search parties on the 13th had a hard time finding the girls because they didnt think the were looking for bodies but alive girls and she says additionally, also they were partially covered. What does that mean? While it's unclear if police did go to gun stores, Garrett think it's unlikely because there was no mention of a gun in the case until the probable cause document was released Tuesday. He is currently serving life in prison for his St. Louis crime. If this roommate is correct, it looks like Mr. X worked in 2011-2012 at as packing plant in the Delphi area, and he was moved to near Evansdale, Iowa for a period during these two years to work on a sister plant near Evansdale. Even after the girls were recovered, Mr. X stayed around through all of the media and police hubbub for the next eight hours, from 12:30 PM to 8:30 PM, so his truck was out at the crime scene for 26 full hours, with Mr X presumably with it the entire time. Recently, multiple local sources with knowledge have opened up to share that this was a hit ordered by a very powerful businessman who runs a criminal operation that some say is akin to a mafia-style family outfit. But we are not naming person. The scope of this investigation in terms of who the police think did it and how it unfolded has been dramatically narrowed. The pre-trial hearing in this case is to be held in January. The others are guardians. In a press conference on Monday, the state police took the first step towards providing justice to the brutally killed juveniles. I am featuring a world renowned psychic detective through an interview Ill be conducting tomorrow. There may never be an arrest in this case. In the more than three years since the girls' tragic murders, very little evidence has been released about the case including the cause of death. and that he was likely familiar with the Monon High Bridge. The bodies were dumped near flowing water, creeks or rivers. Some people are very insistent that Ron Logan is the killer. Not sure if thats what this is about, but if so, Im not sold. Mr Kline allegedly told investigators he would use social media accounts to talk to underage girls and had exchanged messages with and received about 100 sexual photos and about 20 sexually explicit videos from around 15 underage girls. Deals with gruesome matters concerning the brutal sex murders of four female minors - mostly about two young teenage girls aged 13 and 14 but also a bit about related murders of two little girls aged 8 and 10. Hmm . Expunged just means taken out of public records. If you met me, you would laugh at them for saying that. Thank you! This is part of what they thought was being said, yes. This sub is for discussion of the case that's come to be known as the Delphi Murders. 9) He has killed before. Turn on desktop notifications for breaking stories about interest? 'Libby' German, 14, left, and her 13-year-old best friend Abigail 'Abby' Williams were murdered outside Delphi, Indiana on Feb. 13, 2017. If any of you want to sift through there and find some interesting stuff and post it here, please feel free to go for it. Busy location with a diner nearby. And fb, of course. Delphi eighth-graders Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, were killed on Feb. 13, 2017 while walking on a local hiking trail. He wasnt searching for his keys early on. In general, the less said about the other aspects of his life the better, and they have no relationship to this case anyway. Five years ago today, in Delphi, Ind., two best friends, Abigail Williams, 13, and Liberty German, 14, went missing while on a hike through the city's . They act like Im sort of deranged psychopathic maniac whos a danger to women and children. Of course we don't know how the bodies were found and if they were posed or staged, we only know that the crime scene was unbelievable disturbing and horrible. I dont know what these names mean. Here are the main things that ALLEGEDLY (no proof guys, just what I received) stood out to me: 1) I got three names, of which, per your instruction, I will not provide here. When interviewed by police in 2017, Allen said he was on the trail on the afternoon of the murders, according to the probable cause affidavit. Indeed, he has been questioned and he is cooperating fully with the investigation. . LE would also be interested in anyone who may have helped Mr. X after the crime, perhaps burning evidence or whatever. The only thing I can think of is it was too gruesome, in their mind, to release," Garrett said. His favorite color is green: like the woods, like the loot. We wrote an article a while back pointing out that we felt Holder was innocent, and that set off a spate of hate mail and threats from him and his son, which we found odd. Here's what we've learned and what remains unclear: Abby and Libby, best friends in the eighth grade, were on a hiking trail in rural Delphi when they were killed in February 2017. I appreciate your style about not being afraid to put out things others wouldnt dare & or might even get accosted over doing soThose idiots are WEAK& most of them are hypocritesSome of the new YouTubers even, they first bitch about the same thing, then they start a channel, and the next thing you know, their moderators are hacking/choking& putting that ass in the corner for hours before allowing u to crawl back in, all bruised, & compliantNot for me. He raped women, not young teenage girls. He posted a photo on Facebook around three weeks to a month after the murders. Great to see you back on the case! Number 5 was told to JM, an excellent local sleuth, and then to us by an Indiana detective who works in Narcotics based on crime scene photos he had seen. What? If it's real, it's very sad, but it's likely people grasping at straws. Forget it. ABC News Evidence in the Delphi, Indiana, double murder case was unsealed by a county court on Tuesday, revealing key new details, including that suspect Richard Allen's gun was linked to the crime scene. Stop. You dont have LE sources. But no arrests have ever been made with several promising leads or theories arising over the years, only to go cold. Yes, this man is the prime suspect at the moment, but that doesnt mean a whole lot. But after continuing to receive these pings and after it being 5 years, I went back and decided to post as these images have since plagued me. The case is still being actively investigated. Hes laughing b/c theyve been focused upon a completely wrong direction. Required fields are marked *. Nations was connected to the Delphi murder because of the similarities between the crimes, and because he bore a strong resemblance to the preliminary police sketch of the Delphi suspect. LE thinks he stashed his phone at the CPS building during the murders. Im not sure I understand what covered means. Homeless for a period in the 2000s, where he resided at a homeless shelter. There is so much junk, lies, theory, you name it, it is there. In the Delphi case, a signature could be very evident if both victims . There is a main suspect who has been the main suspect for a very long time. No one knows if he did this crime or not. You said parent, so that gives me a clue. The problem with this is that a searcher claims he searched the area where the girls were found the night of 2-13 and not only were the girls not there but none of the props were there either. You want me to put it up? Yes, that is what I referred to; i.e. One of our team members talked to a detective in Kentucky a couple of years ago who told us about this expunged conviction. He can be heard saying, "Guys, down the hill," in the short video and investigators created two composite sketches based on this evidence. In addition, note that he abducted two girls on the 13th, 2-13. The Delphi Murders: Four years later Libby & Abby's killer is still out there. In my experience, this points to chicanery. Sexual age orientation: Pedohebephilia, nonexclusive, AOA 8-14. Where his truck was parked was a five minute walk to the crime scene. And he never meets anyone for any reason. There would have to be some sort of connection to Mr. X for me to suspect him, and I dont see any as of yet other than odd behavior in searching for the girls. Yes, they did record audio of themselves torturing those girls. He also allegedly asked his cousin to back up his story before the girls bodies had been found. It is important to note that you are under no obligation to tell the police anything. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. jeffreydumber. We believe he staged the crime with these elaborate props either before or after the crime from this exact location. A massive search party was convened that night and the girls' bodies were found the next day, next to a creek. Unverified. How do you know that LE has someone they believe is BG? And if Mr. X was being tried today and I was on the jury, I would certainly vote to acquit. Only a deer kit looks just like that. We suppose if was listening to a police scanner, he could have known that early, but whats the likelihood of Mr. X listening to a police scanner between 5:30-6:30 PM on the day of the crime? They think he did it. Stabbing of one girl in the neck artery at some point after the above events. "In a small town, in a place where there's a small amount of traffic on this abandoned railroad bridge your suspect pool is fairly small," Garrett said, so police likely concentrated their investigation on Delphi and the surrounding communities. Robert Lindsay, Independent Journalist: l Talk about Things You're Not Supposed to Talk About. A handgun, in order to do ballistics tests on it. Im a retired homicide detective I know what Im talking about. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15568704. The gun jammed, which Garrett said is common. Horrible. Its at his home on a shelf! Relationship with younger daughter: Excellent, she is very fond of him. Director of Atlantas Cold Case Research Institute and Atlanta metro-area CSI, Sheryl McCollum, said she believes the killer likely posed the victims bodies, instead of staging, for a form of gratification. That would have been quite a problem. Investigators said in the probable cause affidavit that they believe Allen is the man seen on the video. We now have search party members who saw the crime scene; official case documents; the testimony of Leigh Kerr, a man who claims to have seen official case documents; accurate crime scene photos; and the best LE sources we have ever had. But ive also read (this is a rumorif not OK i will delete) that they girls were found apart. Again, not saying that he did it. Known facts about the personal life of the main suspect, Mr. X.: Residence history: Unknown for first 18 years, possibly Illinois. I dont care what anybodys age is. I guess this need continues into adulthood, but I like a little meat on my bone. Please refresh the page or navigate to another page on the site to be automatically logged inPlease refresh your browser to be logged in, Shocking new details have come to light about the murders of best friends Libby German, 14, and Abby Williams, 13, in a search warrant obtained by podcast The Murder Sheet and shared with The Independent, Find your bookmarks in your Independent Premium section, under my profile, This grainy image was taken on Libbys phone on the trail the day the girls went missing. Okay, I think I have the name which I garnered from another website. The 50-year-old from Delphi was taken into custody on Friday and booked into Carroll County Jail. Two people appear to be conflated here in your article as Mr. X. Thats a GoPro on BGs waist and he filmed his crime. The killer in the unsolved Delphi murders is believed to have moved and staged the victims bodies and taken a souvenir from their 2017 slayings, according to newly-surfaced police documents. This will dispel some rumors. Dont pay any attention to that.. What makes even less sense to me are some of the things that they have said or at least have not challenged as not being factual. Why on Earth would anyone hang around near their vehicle for a full day just because they lost their keys? Granted, we dont have any evidence that this is true other than Leigh Kerrs statements. I am a retired Detective Chief previously responsible for the Criminal Investigation Department and all of the 80 plus detectives within as well as a senior investigative officer with experience of leading murder enquiries. See video. Id be surprised if he were in on this, but stranger things have happened. Libby was apparently enthralled by this profile, Cain said. BG is a 50 year old man and the three other men are younger, age 17-26. An updated sketch for the suspect was released in April of 2019, and no further information about his appearance has been publicly shared. Abby was the one that had the boyfriend. The first sections deal with somewhat extraneous material that you may or may not find interesting. He was the right age, but he doesnt look like BG. Im not buying the fact that they just werent equipped to handle an investigation of this magnitude. How did BG get across that knee-high stream in the middle of winter without nearly getting hypothermia and needing a change of clothes? Logistical occupations, Construction workers etc who travel have free reign. Is there any way on Earth that BG could look like the young man in that sketch or even an 18-40 year old?